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Petition against Road Pricing
#1
Sign and pass it on. It only takes a minute.
The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month.

On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill.

If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them
Chris Spratt

Ex owner of Vin#16327 Grey 5 Speed was FLE 371Y
1998 Lotus Esprit GT3
1999 Lotus Elise
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#2
Gosh!! That's mad!!!
Kind Regards,
John [DOC No. 8]

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#3
I received this email today............ I guess anyone else who signed the petition will get it too: (apologies for the length of this)

E-petition: Response from the Prime Minister
The e-petition asking the Prime Minister to "Scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy" has now closed. This is a response from the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.

This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.

It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.

That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.

But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.

One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.

Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.

Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.

But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.

One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.

A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.

Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.

That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.

It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.

I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.

Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.

Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.

We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Blair
Further information
Both the 10 Downing Street and Department for Transport websites offer much more information about road pricing.

This includes a range of independent viewpoints, both for and against.

You can also read the Eddington Report in full.

You can reply to this email by posting a question to Roads Minister Dr. Stephen Ladyman in a webchat on the No 10 website this Thursday.

There will be further opportunities in the coming months to get involved in the debate. You will receive one final e-mail from Downing Street to update you in due course.

If you would like to opt out of receiving further mail on this or any other petitions you signed, please email optout@petitions.pm.gov.uk
Claire Wright  - Club Treasurer
Jul 1981 DeLorean - Flopsy #2292 
Aug 1989 Cavalier 1.6L - Guinney
Apr 2021 Mokka-e Launch Edition - Evie
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#4
So in short:

"We don't know what else to do but we don't want to commit one way or another until we have to because everyone will get annoyed."
Rob Williams
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#5
Rottbott Wrote:So in short:

"We don't know what else to do but we don't want to commit one way or another until we have to because everyone will get annoyed."

Rob Williams for Prime Minister!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Any seconders?
Claire Wright  - Club Treasurer
Jul 1981 DeLorean - Flopsy #2292 
Aug 1989 Cavalier 1.6L - Guinney
Apr 2021 Mokka-e Launch Edition - Evie
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#6
I'll second that Smile
Alexander Adams
Hull, East Yorkshire
DOC member - 389
Reg of first D experience - HEC 6T
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#7
I see circ 1.7 million people have signed up ... they realise now this will be a big vote loser.
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#8
Thats a good point, it costs me £7 each day to go from Hull o Hornsea on the bus. I dont want to have to pay anymore when I get a car (or indeed if). Cry
Alexander Adams
Hull, East Yorkshire
DOC member - 389
Reg of first D experience - HEC 6T
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#9
I hate the term 'motorists' because it makes us sound like we are all driving and sitting in jams for the fun of it.

We are not 'motorists', we are doctors, nurses, teachers, factory workers, offiice staff, etc, and we're all on the roads at the same times of day because we all start and finish work at the same times! Maybe we should all stop going to work - that would stop us all being on the roads at the same time!

Give me a reliable and cheap alternative to my car and I'll use it - the bus from my village to Derby is expensive and I'd be getting on it about half an hour earlier then when I leave home at the moment. Also the buses dont actually go anywhere near where I work. I cannot walk too far either, as I have a long standing problem with my left knee which is probably going to require further surgery.

I find though, that the roads are less congested when the kids are off school........ my 11 mile journey to work (the first 9 miles are all country roads) takes about 40 minutes during term time, but just 15-20 minutes in the school holidays.

I agree that congestion is a problem, and no one likes sitting in traffic jams, but there are other ways of solving this problem then taxing car drivers even more then they already are. I've actually heard about local councils re-jigging the timing on traffic lights to actually CAUSE congestion and therefore make out that road pricing is required!

Also, did anyone else hear the quip from some junior minister type bod? Apparantly, when this person was told about the road pricing petition, the response was "who's stupid idea was that?".
Claire Wright  - Club Treasurer
Jul 1981 DeLorean - Flopsy #2292 
Aug 1989 Cavalier 1.6L - Guinney
Apr 2021 Mokka-e Launch Edition - Evie
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#10
Nice to see that 2015 was mentioned. we'll all be on skyways by then with a bit of luck Big Grin
Also, to look at the other side of the coin, i'll only be doing about 3000 miles in my delorean mostly on weekends and nowhere near city centers, won't that work out cheaper in the long run?
Please don't shout it was just an idea :lol:
tom
vin 7155
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#11
yea

i did help out the bbc do some reports on the traffic around the area

ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_ ... w=nb&mp=wm

Big Grin [/url]
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid ... w=nb&mp=wm


try that sorry
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#13
'' Roads. Where we're goin we don't need roads'' Christopher Loyde.
Dan. The tree man
Not here for a long time. Just here for a good time
Live up to all you know. Nothing more. Nothing less
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#14
i just can't see how this could be enforced.

i saw a program on tracking systems and stolen cars.

once in a big steel shipping unti the tracker signal was cut off.
it also needed power.
(these stolen cars were then shipped abroad, i think south africa where they start working again (but the police there have too many to track down, they were in a helicopter which just continually bleeped with lots of signals.

so they install the transmitter, and you fabricate an inch thick lead box, and encase the unit!!.

also, as there are now with gatso's etc, you can buy a detector (legal) or hide a jammer (illegal but thev'e got to catch you using it) behind you front grill.!
and if not, even more cars will be 'cloned' and driven on false plates.
like the hunting business, how do you stop hundreds at the same time.

wake up government, spend the money (ie pull out iraq) on making a transport system like Japan etc. if a trains 10 seconds late...a public enquiry!.

my local village off peak bus, every 2 hours!.

sorry
Steve Saunders
Wolverhampton
ex owner vin 1621
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#15
indeed, i drive mostly because of conveiniance, i refuse to use public transport thats gonna cause me to haveto add an extra hour+ travelling times, also its bloody cheaper to drive. Why not do something to promote car sharing instead try to get that to take off.

Secondly why not force kids to haveto walk/catch bus to school as the government are always on about kids being obese, at the same time itd free up an emense amount of traffic.

anyways even if i go into me local town, its like £3? maybe to get there and back, 30 mins on bus, hassle of getting back home, or 10-115min drive, free parking and not haveto wait for the next bus, its a no brainer really.

oh and dont get me started on the trains...
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